T-5 Question
- Jims65cyclone
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T-5 Question
Dug out the T-5 trans and bell housing I'm planning to install in my car, and cleaned it up some (externally). It came out of a 93 Mustang Cobra 5.0, so it's a strong trans, but I'm a little apprehensive about what I may find when I tear into it. It's unlikely Granny only drove it to church on Sundays. I'll find out when I get into it.
Now for my question:
I hadn't noticed it until after I set the trans on a dolly with a block of wood under the rear mount ears. The mount is parallel to the level floor, but the trans is definitely not level.
Is a T-5 supposed to be clocked at an angle like that? Am I missing something?
Jim
Now for my question:
I hadn't noticed it until after I set the trans on a dolly with a block of wood under the rear mount ears. The mount is parallel to the level floor, but the trans is definitely not level.
Is a T-5 supposed to be clocked at an angle like that? Am I missing something?
Jim
Re: T-5 Question
I'd refer the the bellhousing get it level to engine and then check trans mounts against it.
It could just be a mod for exhaust not a true dual.
I wouldn't think the top bolt on cover would be ok rained over.
It could just be a mod for exhaust not a true dual.
I wouldn't think the top bolt on cover would be ok rained over.
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Re: T-5 Question
The bell housing is a 6-bolt. When I place the two top holes of the bh so they are level, the trans mount is tilted. Are the top bh bolts level when attached to the engine and the engine is installed in the car?
Jim
Jim
Re: T-5 Question
If not level I think they're close to.
Do a search for a trans mount for the car the trans came in to see what it looks like.
Do a search for a trans mount for the car the trans came in to see what it looks like.
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Yeah it’s definitely messed up! Probably twisted by some super torque monster 5.0!
Probably should put a Toploader in it!
Jim I did a quick search online and you’re not the only that’s noticed that it’s canted to the left. Seems to be normal. They say the Camaro ones are even worse.
Joe
Probably should put a Toploader in it!
Jim I did a quick search online and you’re not the only that’s noticed that it’s canted to the left. Seems to be normal. They say the Camaro ones are even worse.
Joe
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Re: T-5 Question
does the T5 have a tag?. I picked up a 'core' T5 that had a 1352 11 '-218' tag denoting Factory '93 Cobra , the highest Torque rated T5 from factory.
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the front bearing carrier/Throw out tube broke off as typical with the factory aluminum type and wreaked havoc on the internals
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I had rebuilt other T5's but HiPo Cobra 'Pocket Bearing" T5 uses different gears/parts meaning harder and more money to source BTW.
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... refurb' a little more money than I expected but refurbd' '218' Cobra T5 has held up well behind Supercharged 250 Mav/Comet considering the application.
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My '61 Comet TriPower 250 also uses aftermarket 'Cobra 'spec T5 , even with the 3.80 gears the .68 OVERDRIVE enables the Comet to be driven to and from Test and Tune days at the track on the Interstate .
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the front bearing carrier/Throw out tube broke off as typical with the factory aluminum type and wreaked havoc on the internals
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I had rebuilt other T5's but HiPo Cobra 'Pocket Bearing" T5 uses different gears/parts meaning harder and more money to source BTW.
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... refurb' a little more money than I expected but refurbd' '218' Cobra T5 has held up well behind Supercharged 250 Mav/Comet considering the application.
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My '61 Comet TriPower 250 also uses aftermarket 'Cobra 'spec T5 , even with the 3.80 gears the .68 OVERDRIVE enables the Comet to be driven to and from Test and Tune days at the track on the Interstate .
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Have Fun
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Re: T-5 Question
That statement bothers me a bit. The tag on mine is -239, which is "aftermarket 93 Mustang Cobra". Hopefully, parts is parts for the 310 ft/lb trans, whether factory or aftermarket. Where did you source your rebuild parts?power band wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:08 amI had rebuilt other T5's but HiPo Cobra 'Pocket Bearing" T5 uses different gears/parts meaning harder and more money to source BTW.
Jim
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It's hard to tell from this pic, but it looks like your trans sits canted to the left as well? Is that correct? I assume you built your rear trans mount symmetrically and didn't have to be higher on one side than the other?
Jim
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Re: T-5 Question
Hey, Jim
Is your car factory 4 speed? If so, probably H-1 T-10? H-1 is wide-ratio, may allow a Gear Vendor overdrive?
My son had one on C-6 in his '66 Fairlane GTA. He claims they work great.
Just thinking aloud, as usual.
Joe
Is your car factory 4 speed? If so, probably H-1 T-10? H-1 is wide-ratio, may allow a Gear Vendor overdrive?
My son had one on C-6 in his '66 Fairlane GTA. He claims they work great.
Just thinking aloud, as usual.
Joe
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Re: T-5 Question
Yeah, mines a T-10 now. I could go with a Gear Vendor overdrive, but those suckers are $3200 before adapters, etc. I could buy a brand new Cobra T-5 for $2000. I'm hoping I can freshen this one up with new syncro rings and hydraulic clutch, and be on the road for less than $1000 all in.
Jim
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... 'aftermarket xx-251 T5 is listed as 330fp' and 'factory xx-218' T5 is listed as 310fp's , 251 has slightly taller OD at .63 vs .68 and advantageous 2.95 First gear vs 3.35 :1 .
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''61 Comet has same 'aftermarket' xx-251T5
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yes and never realized with three T5 car installs '
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Re: T-5 Question
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The 'Cobra' / M-7003-Z / 251 / etc uses a tapered bearing instead of typical T5 large 'needle bearings' between Input and Output shafts adding to Torque rating like later Tremecs'. So the Input and Output/Main Shafts are different for 'Pocket Bearing" - maybe same as some later Mustang T5 / T45's. Difference should be carefully noted, OEM stamped part numbers and 'Tooth Count' are the specs' that count.
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... T5 parts are generally available, rebuild info also online. E-Bay these days are same big parts vendors and many 'Fox T5's are still around for aftermarket 'upgrade' parts like front bearing/TO and countershaft rear bearing carriers. Complete gear sets may be simpler than matching existing parts. I used multiple vendors and some 're-used' parts.
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BTW - the NON- WORLD CLASS T5 is misnomer - Only difference is WORLD CLASS T5 uses ATF and ATF suitable bearings instead of old style gear oil and Bronze type bearing surfaces for gear oil. Mustang GT - NWC T5 circa 1984 in my Falcon wagon is alittle stiff in cold weather but shifts as good or better than the Cobra T5's rebuilt or brand new.
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have 3pedals/5gears fun
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The 'Cobra' / M-7003-Z / 251 / etc uses a tapered bearing instead of typical T5 large 'needle bearings' between Input and Output shafts adding to Torque rating like later Tremecs'. So the Input and Output/Main Shafts are different for 'Pocket Bearing" - maybe same as some later Mustang T5 / T45's. Difference should be carefully noted, OEM stamped part numbers and 'Tooth Count' are the specs' that count.
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... T5 parts are generally available, rebuild info also online. E-Bay these days are same big parts vendors and many 'Fox T5's are still around for aftermarket 'upgrade' parts like front bearing/TO and countershaft rear bearing carriers. Complete gear sets may be simpler than matching existing parts. I used multiple vendors and some 're-used' parts.
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BTW - the NON- WORLD CLASS T5 is misnomer - Only difference is WORLD CLASS T5 uses ATF and ATF suitable bearings instead of old style gear oil and Bronze type bearing surfaces for gear oil. Mustang GT - NWC T5 circa 1984 in my Falcon wagon is alittle stiff in cold weather but shifts as good or better than the Cobra T5's rebuilt or brand new.
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have 3pedals/5gears fun
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