Original hipo cyclone

[comethead]

Just to add fuel to the fire: The K code 64s were 4V cars, but the 4100 carb used was not the same as that used on a 289 Mustang 4v 289. The Comets used 1.12 carbs (not Hipo carbs) as opposed to the 1.08s used on the Mustangs. Their HP and Torque ratings were also higher.

In Bob Mannels small block book he says the early 64 Comet regular fuel non-Hipo 4V carbs were 1.12” similar to the big block carbs but recalibrated and with smaller jets.
He states that in April of 64 when the Mustang appeared the regular fuel 4V carbs were revised with a newer design to match the 2V carbs. Those carbs had the 1.08” venturies and were used in both Mustangs AND Comets.
So early 64 Comet K codes had the 1.12” carbs and later ones the 1.08”. Both 1.12 and 1.08 carbs had C4GF-** (Comet) stamps. The 64 1.08 could also have a C4ZF-C (Mustang) stamp.
Confused?

Joe

[Joe Travers]

Confused?

Us FoMoCo guys are used to this kind of business
The '64 'K' code Cyclone engine wasn't high compression. Engineers dumped what they had on it until the new design was manufactured, it seems.
I'm betting that first carb was off the '63 Fairlane HP289. Does Mannels reference it? Think it's C3OF-9510-AJ.
Here's one for sale for $2K- http://www.2040-parts.com/1963-1964-for ... -i2034148/

Joe

[popscomet]

has anyone ever heard of a 64 289 special ????,,,,,,pop

[Joe Travers]

has anyone ever heard of a 64 289 special ????,,,,,,pop

Can't remember that one, Pop.
One odd thing I can remember was a factory 289 Fairlane hydraulic cam that was hotter than stock C & A code. Had that Fairlane engine in a Mustang back in '70s. It was factory service replacement engine out of a '64 or '65. Can't remember year. That thing would romp.

Joe

[popscomet]

I found a listing in a repair manual many years ago for a 289 special,,this engine came out of a 64 fairlane SW that had every option you could get in 64,,,,,I have had over 35 yrs,,I installed it in a 71 f100,,64 mustang,63 falcon and today it's in a 71 bronco,,,,has had the soup ran plum out of it..stripped a timing chain once,,bent some valves,,,this was when I found a difference,,no one had the valves,,,finaly found enuff to repair the heads ,,they had a longer stem and the location of the keeper was different,,,,it had decals on the VC saying special,,,I never started it before I put it in the truck,,I fired it up with mufflers,,,had a knock,,,,but I came to the conclusion it wasn't a rod or something like that,,,,it was carbon on top of the pistons,,as it belonged to an elderly man who bought it new and never drove past the city limits it's entire life,,,,so I fired it up and let the motor get good and hot,,,I filled a 16oz coke bottle full of cold water and slowly poured water down the carb while holding the RPM's near 2000 rpm's,,,,when that cold water hit that carbon build up,,it looked like fireworks on the 4th of july ,,,,I went thru a couple of bottles of water,,,,that fixed the problem for once and for all,,,,,it's amazing what a kid will recall from hanging out around old garages and the old men that ran them.......you have to be careful when pouring,,,don't drown the engine out,,keep it rived !!.....pop

[JimsHot66]

,,I filled a 16oz coke bottle full of cold water and slowly poured water down the carb while holding the RPM's near 2000 rpm's,,,,when that cold water hit that carbon build up,,it looked like fireworks on the 4th of july ,,,,I went thru a couple of bottles of water,,,,that fixed the problem for once and for all,,,,,it's amazing what a kid will recall from hanging out around old garages and the old men that ran them.......you have to be careful when pouring,,,don't drown the engine out,,keep it rived !!.....pop

In my youth I did a similar thing using ATF fluid...lots of white smoke. Elderly next door neighbor thought her garage was on fire and called the fire department!

[Joe Travers]

I found a listing in a repair manual many years ago for a 289 special,,this engine came out of a 64 fairlane SW that had every option you could get in 64,,,,

May be the same engine I had in the Mustang, Pop. Mr. Eddie pulled it out of a early Fairlane that was sitting up after an old fella wrecked it. The old man told him it was a factory replacement from the dealer after the original engine blew up under warranty. Eddie stripped it down to rebuild it and told me he looked up the numbers on the parts. We found the cam listed in a Motors service manual but I've never seen it listed by Ford. IIRC, lift was listed @ 0.426, stock cam was around 0.380. I outran a 340 Dodge Challenger & 383 Plymouth GTX in that car one night.

Joe

[popscomet]

WELL to me it's a special 289 for sure,,as many different cars and trucks as I've put it in ,,,I finaly broke down one time and re-rung it ,at one time I had 3x2 then cross ram 2x4's on it,,,sucker just wouldn't die,,,when it was in my mustang I used the same 4spd that we have in ol rusty today..and the very same 3rd member that is under my comet,,,I said about 35yrs it may be more like 40 yrs that I have had that 289 special,,,,some one said they were cleaning out thier shop on here the other day,,,cleaning out my shop won't do me any good,,,cause I won't get rid of anything...might just re-arrange it and call it good !!.......enuff about a 289 special !! pop

[popscomet]

I have up set many neighbors useing ATF,,,,,pop

[1964hipo]

Well I’m any case Mercury seemed to give the comet 289 more attention then the ford side. The HIPo got transistorized ignition, a comet only distributor, and an alternator. However they totally ignored doing anything to the exhaust manifolds....

[MercuryGirl]

1964hipo,If this is an original Hipo car does it have the 11/16ths front sway bar on it?

[1964hipo]

I don’t know, I’ll measure it when I list it on eBay next month, as I live out of state from where the car is stored

[kevinshi]

Hey POP, im posting this here as i thought this thread was more appropriate, but if your interested, this is an original dealer training manuel from merc in 64 that gives the hipo as an option. I havent seen these pages published anywhere and wasnt sure if youd ever seen this

Was one of those training manuals produced for 1965? If so does anyone have a copy?

[Joe Travers]

Hey POP, im posting this here as i thought this thread was more appropriate, but if your interested, this is an original dealer training manuel from merc in 64 that gives the hipo as an option. I havent seen these pages published anywhere and wasnt sure if youd ever seen this

Was one of those training manuals produced for 1965? If so does anyone have a copy?

IDK, but some manuals are a bit misleading and aren't always indicative of what was actually produced. Oftentimes, very few if any esoteric options actually hit the showroom floor. The '68 427 Mustang tipped me off to this many years ago.

Joe

[1964hipo]

Well I’m not sure what you mean by esoteric? They may be rare or specialized, but Clearly the 1964 Hipo comets were produced and sold as special order through the DSO,
The example I have in possession is proof of that, and hopefully will find a new owner next month